Collected by: James Ward Lee
and Ralph E. Roberts for
Mary Celestia Parler
Transcribed by James Ward Lee
and Ralph E. Roberts
Martha Hawkins and
July 26, 1958
Reel 241 Item 1
James Ward Lee: Do you remember in what year you were born?
Granny Hawkins: 1873.
James Ward Lee: That makes 1881.
Winifred Ralston: 1881 Grandma.
GH: And there wasn't a one in our crowd that ever had saw a
passenger train— never had, and—
WR: You didn't come on the train, did you?
GH: We come on the train, oh, yes, and my grandfather come
with us and he was, oh he was...him and my grandmother
and my Uncle Isaac Witt and my Aunt Polly Ann. Aunt Folly
Ann Witt was a sister to my mother and my Uncle Isacc was
a sister to my father and they came with us and when the
train pulled up there to the depot and we all was fixing
to get on,it looked like every one of us was scared of
that train— never had saw one,..
JWL:Now where was this at in Kentucky?
GH: We got on at London, Kentucky, and they had never saw a
WR: Do you know what county that is in, Grandma?
GH: No, I don't remember.
JWL: Where did you get off; where did the train come to?
GH: It come to Ozark.
GH: Yea, we came--we got off at Ozark, and then we hired
wagons to bring us and we landed over here on Richland
and we stayed over there two weeks and then Daddy he
found a little streak of land and bought it and Uncle
Isaac he rented that year and then after that why Daddy
found a good home and he homesteaded it.
JWL:That's up by Greasey Creek?
GH: Um hum, he homesteaded it and I was raised right there.
JWL:Has this country changed much in..?
GH: Law, hit's a sight on earth how hit's changed since then.
The woods was full of cattle, hogs and everything, you
know, free range and everything...
GH: Yea, I guess so.Guess there was plenty of them and theys
lots of cattle, and cattle wasn't worth anything. You
could buy all the good milk cows that you wanted for ten
dollars a piece— ten dollars a piece— good cows, and people
just couldn't sell them, you know, no market— no market
in here for anything. The closest market was Fayetteville
JWL:What kind of town was Fayetteville then?
GH: Hit was pretty good. Hits built alot course, since then ,
but it was a right smart town and hit's still a buildin'
you know, all the time and Ozarks built alot too.
JWL:Have we ever been in Ozark?
GH: But Ozark hit's a old town too. Fayetteville— Fayetteville
was a pretty good little town in the time of the old Civil
War. My brother-in-law said that they got so bad in here
they called them the Bushwhackers, and they had a company
of their own, you know, and they just went all over the
country and just robbed and they done everythin'.
JWL:Were they Yankees or were they Confederates?
GH: Theys..and they would just go in and rob people. lake
everything they had to eat and take their blankets and
quilts and take 'em off and never see them no more, you
know, and they couldn't say a word.
JWL:I've heard folks say that a lot of folks in here be on
the Union side and a lot of them oh the Confederate side.
GH: Well I guess they guess they was on both sides, don't you
Mary? I don't remember what about that, but the bunch that
was in here they told us about, they was on the Southern
JWL:Would you tell about the Fourth of July celebrations they'd
have, you know, with all that marching and the old soldiers
Would they all be Confederate soldiers— or would there be
Union soldiers that— ?
GH: They-they-you see, they march together. They had peace
then, you know,and just marched together.
JWL:Were there about as many blue as there were gray?
GH: I think so.
JWL:I didn't know that.
GH: I think they was. They looked like they was. They was
dressed just like they was, you know.
JWL:This was in St. Paul?
GH: UH-hum, up to St. Paul. Well, you know, St. Paul wasn't
built fer a long time. It wasn't until after I was married.
JWL:Oh, is that right?
GH: And then is when they went to havin' reunions and the old
soldiers would march and they'd give them all-allof the old
soldiers—they'd have a big free dinner fer 'em and every
one of 'em would come to that dinner--
It sounds so crazy. It makes a body think twice and speak
once, don't i t . Clatter* away
Ever since I got my false teeth I— I can't speak my words
JWL:But, Mr. Witt—
GH: Can you— Can you
JWL:Just speak a little louder.
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